They can't really do that, but I do think there's some clever stuff they could do (and should be doing!) with sales taxes, registration, licensing, etc to push people away from the most polluting and dangerous cars.
Worth noting California already has a pollution tax for CO2. It ultimately ends up raising the price of gas, which makes it somewhat controversial, but hybrids, EVs, and smaller cars in general do sell much better in California than other places, and the pollution tax is a factor in that.
This is what I don’t get. Greater fuel efficiency was a technological advancement. Why would we try to undo progress? Let’s also go from color back to black and white TV while we’re at it.
Honestly.. the stupidest thing about this isn’t even the “what about when it is reversed?” question.. it’s the “gas is fucking expensive, who the fuck would want a car that costs EVEN MORE to drive??”
They don't plan to give you a choice in the matter.
I remember when the Prius came out and people were saying how terrible it looked and drove, but it got such good mileage that it didn't matter to a lot of people more worried about their wallet. And that was when gas was like $1.50 per gallon (1997).
Now imagine that every company sees the opportunity to make larger cars and increase their profit margins without consequence. How many do you think are going to even care about the global market when they've got a captive one here that can't buy Chinese EVs?
Trump: "You cant buy cheap chinese EVs, it pisses off my donors, and US auto makers are gonna keep making big expensive and inefficient cars that nobody wants forever"
Every US politician: "The grid cant handle electric cars! Also, we've approved new flock data centers that use more electricity than a countries worth of EVs"
Absolutely no one: "Lets help the citizens: We should either allow people to buy cheap international EVs, or bring back the federal solar and ev programs to encourage US automakers to build clean vehicles"
Not only the automotive industry, but the oil industry, and petrochemical industry, and financial institutes who back those industries, along with the politicians who retain power because of this decision.
Also the oil worker plebs who I consider different than the oil industry because they are temporary and exploited (but they like it).
Dodge is bringing back the Hemi V8 for one year, as after that, a Democrat will come in and tighten restrictions again.
But for one year they’ll make some good money again, so that’s all that matters. Once that’s over, the CEO will jump out with their gold parachute and let it be someone else’s problem.
I used to drive a 2014 Challenger SRT8. If I drove trying to maximize the mileage, easing it up to cruising speed and stuck to highway driving I could squeeze out maybe 18MPG.
How I usually drove? Like 12. I couldn't imagine driving that fuckin car with the current gas prices.
Husband filled his up yesterday. $110. That’s insane to me. I genuinely would never! Thankfully it’s paid off and he is WFH so it’s not a weekly expense.
If they're planning on being complicit then they're expecting Trump admin and Project 2025 crew to ensure they never lose an "election" ever again, so they'll sacrifice themselves for the dear leader ambitions and fall to niche poverty domestic-only auto manufacturers while they can't get sales in the rest of the world while everyone else drives Chinese EVs.
I mean that's clearly what "republicans" want because that's the decisions they're making.
Shoot... It's not even about regulations. There's a reason Toyota cannot keep enough stock of their cars. No one wants to be stuck with unreliable gas guzzling monstrosities anyhow, let alone waiting for this shitty administration to roll out
We used to pretend it was illegal, but then the Supreme Court ruled it was okay if you took the money after doing the deed. Coincidentally, one of the justices sold his honor for the low low price of an RV.
The US isn't a country for people, it's a "country" for oil/gas and auto industry profits with a few other corporate sectors on the side. All our cities were destroyed for actual livability and re-designed to be for cars, not people.
Let's be honest, the automotive industry from the USA is irrelevant, now the cars from the USA are not wanted by people worldwide, design is older, technology wise are behind, price is high, and fuel consumption... Well.
Bro you just don’t understand. It’s a robotics company… and any day now they’re going to start releasing those fully autonomous robots that will make the overinflated valuation make total sense. Any day now… *faps in hyperloop*
Whenever I go for a drive I tend to see a lot of Teslas. To the point where I get annoyed. But then I think, am I really seeing that many Teslas in comparison to all the other cars on the road? Or is it just that the Telsas are more instantly recognizable because they still basically have like ONE design? The four sedans all look basically the same and then there's the monstrosity that is Cybertruck. How does a company get investors to believe it's worth that much when they've actually created so little?
the only country i know of that actually cares about the US cars is Aus and thats because we have very similar cultures, design of roads and the wide spaces that allow it. even still, the SUV market is being crushed by the chinese car market.
I mean, Russian agents were told to plant some cards and a confession with an illegible signature, so they planted Multiple "The Sims 3" activation codes and a confession clearly signed "Signature Unreadable".
The manufacturing is quite integrated with so many Canadian workers who view(ed) those U.S. cars as semi-Canadian, and lots of rural Canadians have that same weird love for giant Ford pickups…it’ll be interesting to see what things look like in a few years when consumer behaviors, manufacturing plants, etc. all fully adjust to the trade wars & “elbows up” era.
Wouldn’t be surprised if you saw other manufacturers swoop in to scoop up the employees and plants that currently form part of supply chain & productions processes that are based in southern Ontario & elsewhere in Canada.
There's good odds the manufacturing capabilities in Ontario will just be gradually pivoted to either other car manufacturers or similar industries, like defense.
The US have decided they don't want an integrated auto sector with Canada, there's not much we can do about it, and no reason to keep being their customers 🤷
Lol no. The yank tanks don't fit in parking spaces, offer nothing practical over standard LandCruisers, BT-50's, Amaroks or Tritons and they have way worse fuel economy. All of this in a country that can have hundreds of kilometres between petrol stations and fuel is currently over $2 per litre.
We prefer Japanese, European (mostly German), Korean and most recently, Chinese vehicles.
Our roads and carparks DON'T fit your over-compensating "trucks". Only fuckwits buy them, and in small numbers due to the price (RHD conversion isn't cheap).
(I'll accept is a legitimate option for those that tow very heavy loads and have a second daily driver for the shopping run. But I see many parked at the shops blocking pedestrians and/or the driving lane. At least park further away!).
These big trucks are for fuckwits in the US as well. Again, with some exceptions - but most of them are impractical lifestyle accessories without a scratch on them, too big for grocery shopping which is the only work they will ever do.
I don't know about the rest of the world but in Europe the n°1 issue with US cars is that they're way too massive to fit on our roads let alone cities and you can forget about parking it anywhere
The US Automobile industry is very clearly made by and for the US, wich is not necessarily wrong but then they can't complain that they can't compete internationally
As someone living in a city in the US, it feels so crazy. My Honda Fit was hit recently, getting totaled. I loved that subcompact hatchback. I could haul so much in the city, and parallel park anywhere. Also almost no maintenance for 150k miles, and it ran beautifully. There were many cars like this in the US, and they're wildly popular in my city anyway, with several on a given block.
Around 2019, every manufacturer pulled their subcompact hatchbacks simultaneously, claiming low sales. I couldn't wrap my head around it. Yeah the US is huge, with a lot of open land, but there are so many sections not like that. I don't get why they don't sell regionally within the US, instead of expecting one type of car for the whole country, which is the size of many countries in some other parts of the world.
So now I have to pay a lot more money for a larger hatchback that actually doesn't store as much as my old Fit, since all the small ones vanished. It doesn't make business sense to me that everyone pulled out at once. If I made the same kind of car as 5 other competitors, and they're all pulling out at the same time for sales that aren't as high as they hoped, I would plant my feet deeper in the ground as the one to collect every sale they left behind. It feels like they worked together. So here I am, ten years later, paying 37% more when accounting for the already high inflation.
I hate all of this. There is so much opportunity in cities if they'd just consider them different regions. A lot of us are upset at the lack of smaller cars. It makes life more difficult, and raises prices/gas costs, as well as insurance costs for more expensive vehicles and from accidents from trying to fit these vehicles in a crowded space, which also costs more money separately from insurance hikes.
I’ve owned every BMW 3 series since the E30 and let me tell you it’s been a hilarious ride. They’re massive now, a new 3 series is almost the size of my dad’s old 7 series in the 80s. Cars are huge now because there are so many SUVs on the road you’d pretty much die in any crash. I think crossovers were supposed to be the olive branch but they’re also huge. Our ford edge is bigger than the ford explorers in the 90s and has less interior space.
I live in a big US city with a larger representation of Honda Fit and the like around me. I think part of it is, cities are expensive to live in, and most people aren't buying new cars. Especially the people who don't have a garage and parallel park on the street every day. These people certainly want a Honda fit, but for less than $20k. Car makers just can't get people to buy them new. Car makers also famously prefer to make large vehicles because they can charge higher margins on them. They don't make much money on sub compact city cars, because they're just as expensive to make but they still must price them lower, but this is still $30k+.
Man these pickup trucks in narrow Dutch and Belgium streets look idiotic. I get that the space is pretty handy, but it seems so impractical parking these in these tight ass parking garages.
imo you should need a permit to field these and the only way to get those is having a job that requires that kind of setup. nobody needs tires higher than a compact in the developed world
They're cramped inside and the tray doesn't even fit a bicycle on most of them. They are less capable than a real cabover truck 2m shorter and half a meter narrower.
And some people ride unicycles to work. I dont doubt that the media we watch has inspired some to go the US route but the wide majority is still interested in the European and East Asian makers.
People in the US definitely drive American. Doesn’t mean it’s not inferior quality in just about every way. Once you take patriotism out of the equation, US automakers are getting slaughtered overseas.
They can loosen up emissions requirements all they want, doesn’t mean people will suddenly go buy gas guzzlers with $4 gas.
I'm super happy with my Ford Maverick hybrid. It hauls the stuff I need and I've gotten 700 miles on a single tank. I'll usually get high 50s to 60s miles per gallon taking my son to school. It's small, but it does the job. I can't imagine needing anything more unless you are truly hauling large amounts of stuff.
Really like the look of them but I’m waiting to see how the slate does, a truck that isn’t horrendous, oversized, overpriced and manages this while being electric is a niche I think if the maverick is any indication will be found to be quite underserved.
$12 per gallon in my neighboring countries, I live close to the Dutch and German border and there's always a line for the gas station near my work since a few months.
Hell it’s $6 or more a gallon to drive the diesel monstrosities here in the US and the maga morons still line up to spend $1200/mo for 84 months to buy them then bitch about how much it costs to fill them up.
That's mostly a US-specific phenomenon, and perhaps a niche taste among ameriboos elsewhere, because suburbs of that kind mostly exist in the US. It's always bizarre to see Trump whine about how other countries are not buying products from companies that don't make export products.
You can't just sell things made to fit exactly your domestic market elsewhere, but his supporters will never wrap their heads around that concept.
I'm actually happy about this. I live in Central Europe and even the handful of emotional support trucks is annoying as fuck, so if this ensures the final nail in the coffin and stops the enroachment of shitmobiles, I'm all for it.
Until the last Cybertruck is never seen again, there will always be the spectre of shitmobiles. Maybe less so in Europe, but it blows my mind people drive cars out of fucking SPITE in the US. At the very least dumb dualie trucks and civ hummers are less common on the road because of prohibitive gas costs. A significant reduction in rolling coal stupidity.
Who even buys American shit anyway? We used to have Ford Fiesta, Ford Focus, Ford Mondeo and some Ka models EVERYWHERE. They were probably one of the most common models, everyone had them.
Fast forward to today and you see few older Focus models people still drive, one or two Puma models here and there and sometimes a Tourneo. And that's it.
It's Hyundai/Kia everywhere, Toyotas are pretty common and we have tons of Renaults. Fords are just entirely gone. Killing off Fiesta and Focus was the dumbest decision ever since we loved those in Europe.
Who even buys American shit anyway? We used to have Ford Fiesta, Ford Focus, Ford Mondeo and some Ka models EVERYWHERE. They were probably one of the most common models, everyone had them.
I am keeping my 2nd car Fiesta till it literally dies on me. I only do 1K miles a year (also have an EV) and its 22 years old. Just passed its MOT again, 1st time. What a stupid decision, l agree.
When was it globally relevant anyway? In recent memory at least.. Except for some Ford models, American cars have been globally irrelevant for decades now.
It’s not going to change anything. The automakers aren’t doing to do anything about it because by the time they could get it to market there will be a new president that will probably undo a lot of the stuff Trump has done on day one with an executive order. It’s just more political theater to keep the rubes happy.
I think you'll find General Motors (Holden), Ford and Chrysler killed my country's contribution to the automotive industry years ago, thanks to US-based root-economic issues.
Sadly.. in Germany policy followed this example and suddenly we right in the middle of a huge automotive crisis. Yes, there are a ton of other reasons as well, but this internal combustion engine life support policies are one of the main factors.
Every single thing out of this admin feels like first blush guesses on a school test they didn’t study for, walking out thinking they aced it. It really is pure arrogance, malice, and corruption and it’s being injected directly into the heart of our country. Many of these fuckup will be permanent.
Everything they do or try to do is at the cost of things that benefit us. Every. Single. Thing. We have a govt that is actually set on doing as much damage as possible to its own people.
It's less than half. Closer to a quarter. Unfortunately, they're disproportionately retired white men, which perfectly describes his average voter. Fortunately, since 2020, they're dying at an exceedingly disproportionate rate.
An entire country propagandized into believing they’re the greatest in the world without ever putting a single second of effort into ensuring that’s the case, other than handing over all their tax dollars to the military industrial complex.
The rest of the world has moved on. All this going backwards is just enshittifying the USA. Everyone else will move on and forget the power and influence the country once had.
Especially, our car industry will get to build cars nobody else wants to buy, and the US, however big, is not enough alone to support a competitive car industry.
Either California is going to change their state emission laws or car manufacturers are going to cut 12% of the US population that on average have higher salaries or the car manufacturers are going to continue to abide by California State emissions and not really change anything. Hmmmm, I wonder which scenario is more likely.
This may be beneficial in the long run actually. Right now our fuel economy regulations are kinda terrible because they incentivize making bigger and bigger trucks. Nobody has bothered trying to fix it because the current regulations are “good enough”. The next administration will definitely want to put fuel economy restrictions back into place, and this may give them an opportunity to actually do it right in a way that deincentivizes gigantic trucks.
Yeah CAFE was written intentionally backwards as a gift to auto makers to sell larger/more expensive vehicles. Almost everyone in this thread has no clue how bad our current regs are.
Currently CAFE heavily penalizes small cars, and the regs get looser and looser until near exemption when you approach commercial vehicle size. Take a wild guess why so many pickups and large SUVs are over a certain weight? CAFE exemption. Why do you think so many "compacts" like the MINI 2dr hatch, the Civic, etc are conveniently over 3,000 pounds now and as big as a 90s Jaguar or Lexus? Laxer regs.
We had 40-50mpg small cars in the late 80s and early 90s. Your average Corolla or Civic back then could very easily hit 50 mpg (I have a carbureted 345k mile '87 Corolla with 90 psi compression and is jetted rich on purpose to counteract the low compression and I STILL get 40mpg). Nowadays most 4,000 pound crossover blobs cannot do better than 30-35. Because making a $18,000 small compact needs to meet impossible MPG and emissions requirements which would cost billions in R&D to accomplish, while a $75,000 6,000 lb pickup has almost no regulations at all.
Which do you think car companies want you to buy? The pickup that's all profit and no R&D, or the compact they'll lose money on because it's impossible to build to current CAFE regs?
CAFE is evil. However Trump won't fix it, and he'll back off this rollback the second the big three lobby him to keep it because they make so much money from massive shitty mpg cruise ships.
Most informative comment in the thread right here.
In addition, these unnecessarily huge trucks have had such powerful marketing behind them that we now have generations of idiots who are convinced that is the only vehicle which fits their identity.
People arguing that market forces are going to fix this are delusional. The market forces have been artificially manipulated for so long that it's become a senseless, twisted hall of mirrors with deep cultural roots.
And will increase reliability. The terrible reliability in cars today is because of all the emissions regulations. Get rid of turbos on everything and shit starts to work a whole lot better at ambient pressure.
My coworker this week,Who commutes with a 2016 jeep Wrangler sport. Told me they fill up twice a week at 55 per tank.
I suggested a hybrid or electric vehicle (I'm in a bolt.)
They said they can't afford a car payment.
One of the biggest reasons our trucks and cars have gotten bigger over the years is because the emission regulations were based on size. It’s cheaper to make a large truck than the mini trucks we used to have.
Instead of fixing that issue. This new law just nukes the whole program.
It’s the way maga works. They take a legitimate issue with nuance, and exploit the uninformed to make things worse/enrich themselves.
Disable auto start/stop, lower fuel economy requirements, return to office requirements …. It’s like we forgot about the Strait of Hormuz but we decided to give the oil industry everything they wanted for Christmas.
I absolutely did not give George Lucas enough credit for predicting trade disputes could lead to an emperor and fascism, with decently popular (or at least vocal) support too.
To be fair, it's not like it didn't happen before.
A big part of the Nazis rise to power in 1933 was the result of the Great Depression coupled with the economic sanctions as a result of Versailles, along with a healthy dose of nationalism. All it took was one populist to promise to 'Make Germany Great Again' and restore their economy and standing and within a decade there was a second World War.
Many areas in the US never really recovered from the Great Depression, or any of the other GOP caused recessions since. They've never had a shot at the so called American Dream, the closest they came was one night when Dusty Rhodes wrestled in their local middle school gym. Guess what areas predominately vote far right?
Crazy thing is given when it released it was clearly referencing the controversies surrounding the Dubya era and the Iraq War. All that shit is practically quaint now compared to way more blatant corruption and starting another middle eastern war but without even competent leaders going for specific goals.
Was thinking about the movie Vice yesterday, where Christian Bale played former VP Dick Cheney and was pulling all the strings for Bush Jr. That shit is like a Disney movie compared to what is happening right before our very eyes.
Even in the U.S., people there’s only a few subset of customers that seem to prefer US cars, the Giant Pickup Truck idiots, cop cars, and the dudes who buy Mustangs, Vettes, Chargers & Challengers.
Once again Republicans decide to fuck over the 99% of Americans who have a hard time paying for their record high fuel prices all for the 1% and corporations
Id assume this would be pretty meaningless at the end of the day. Consumers would still want higher efficiency so automakers still have an incentive to cater to that. Also car makers are selling the same models in other markets which might still have requirements to meet and they're prob not going to stray too far from that for one market.
Maybe some outlier performance cars will be affected, trucks and SUVs probably already get around it with current CAFE law loopholes.
"US to announce" = Trump to announce. US doesn't announce anything anymore. The whole country seem to be existing to fulfill the wishful thinking of a man toddler in charge.
the crazy part is republicans are totally happy with the embarrassment the US currently is. they think they are winning. fuck how are people that stupid.
Probably won't even matter anyways because manufacturers will continue to build to California's standards, not the federal ones. Nobody wants to be on the compliance fence when the government changes out every 2-4 years anyways.
That’s the neat thing. California is being sued by the feds to make it illegal to set their own regulations. Supreme court will not allow California to stifle this regimes agenda
None of this matters. These companies know that this administration is only a couple years. It takes a long time to modify and build different cars. These companies are already innovating fuel economy they aren’t going to stop because of this orange dipshit that doesn’t understand how anything works.
This will change nothing. These companies aren’t stopping investing in this shit because a deluded 80 year old with a diaper wants them to.
God this fucking idiot annoys me. And I’m sure the mouth breathers are cheering this on and it’ll do NOTHING
So let me get this straight... Republicans stopped penalizing automakers for failing to meet increasingly demanding fuel economy goals, so now electric cars are less affordable for average Americans because the $7500 tax credit is gone, and in exchange the industry gets to retain hundreds of millions in profits 🤦.
And now, at a time when gas prices are at historical highs, they're following up by slashing fuel economy standards. Gotta keep them gas guzzlers guzzlin'! Americans will save an average $930 per vehicle as a result, but the flipside is that we'll spend almost $200 billion more on fuel through 2050 instead, and we'll dump 5% more CO2 into the air ☣️.
TL;DR: Average cars will cost slightly less but it'll be more than offset by increased fuel spending, electric cars will cost far more due to no tax credit, our environment gets fucked a bit worse, and car manufacturers reap a bunch more profits.
Thank god football season is here to distract from things that could actually impact our everyday lives! Go team! But only my team. Division wins again. /s
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Companies would be stupid to embrace the new standards knowing that this will be rolled back the second this administration is over.