Which "iconic duo" were you shocked to find out didn't actually like each other/were nothing more than coworkers?

[u/Moat_of_the_Sacked]

To some, Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman of Mythbusters (2003-2016) make up one of the most famous double-acts in film and/or television, with Savage being optimistic and Hyneman being pragmatic. But despite being entertaining for you and I, Adam states that he and Jamie butted heads pretty often because of their different personalities. And looking back at some of the episodes, I can really see how Jamie wants Adam to show a little maturity, while Adam wants Jamie to lighten up a little. While it is disheartening, it is the way it is.

Which other duos of characters and hosts was it hard to learn that some people just don't get along despite how well they work together onscreen?

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[u/TepacheLoco]

On Jamie and Adam, while they didn’t get along personally as friends, they were the image of professionalism in creative industries and getting on with it, and often working to each others strengths.

At a time when the American Chopper boys were throwing chairs at each other it was a beacon of reasonability.

[u/ringwraithfish → u/TepacheLoco]

I've watched Adam's YouTube channel (Tested) for years now. It comes up regularly on his q&a videos and he always emphasizes this. Based on what he's said, you're exactly right: they were both self aware that their personalities were polar opposite, but knew that was going to work in their favor for the show. Jamie was the one who invited Adam specifically to shoot the pilot (maybe audition, I can't recall the specifics) because Jamie knew he needed someone with that bubbly charisma for the entertainment aspect.

The show worked because even though they were not friends outside of the show, they respected each other's work and always had the same goal.

I think everyone should learn it's okay not to force a friendship with someone just because you work with them.

[u/nat5an → u/ringwraithfish]

Yeah this is the story I’ve heard as well. The show was initially being developed with Jamie, he knew (quite correctly) that he didn’t have the right personality and energy to carry the show on its own and specifically pulled in Adam to be, well, Adam. Definitely the right call, and I have plenty of coworkers in my own job that I work together really well with, but we don’t hang out together outside of work. I think it’s a testament to how effective their on-screen pairing was that people developed a parasocial relationship with them and were actively disappointed to find out they weren’t hanging out all the time off screen.

[u/mere_iguana → u/nat5an]

Adam has also said that while they didn't really mesh as friends, Jamie was EXCELLENT to work with, and he still says that his favorite part of MB was always when he and Jamie worked together to solve problems. They rarely had disagreements or ego battles and were both open to each others' ideas.

[u/Flexisdaman → u/nat5an]

Good observation.

Jamie is an excellent straight man, but you can’t carry a show with just dry humor.

[u/AusToddles → u/TepacheLoco]

Yeah people have really overblown it to some sort of hatred. No, they got along professionally and if they hated each other, I doubt the show would have lasted

We all have people we work with just fine without wanting to hang out with them later

[u/According_Bridge_746 → u/AusToddles]

Remember Adam and Jamie worked together for years before myth busters . Jamie being Adams boss .

[u/Diligent-Ad4777 → u/According_Bridge_746]

And it was Jamie who suggested Adam as a cohost I believe as he knew him alone would be too dour. Originally it was only gonna be him I seem to recall. 

[u/Kaiser_Cave → u/Diligent-Ad4777]

Adam savage has addressed this on his YouTube channel Tested. They’ve never sat down and had a meal together as friends but they are colleagues through and through. I believe he has said they still talk when the need arises but they aren’t calling asking about the wife and kids.

[u/Objective_Look_5867 → u/AusToddles]

Yeah they didnt hate one another. They were co workers and you can see in the show there are moments the clearly made eachother laugh or having fun together. Its just "work friends" though. They aren't besties outside of work.

[u/Haunting_Bat_4787 → u/Objective_Look_5867]

Most of my coworkers I wouldn’t hang out with outside of work, but at work, we play to each others strengths and it makes everything during the work day go super smooth. I can joke around and have fun with them and them with me, but outside of work we just don’t have any reason to hang out or try and force some kind of friendship.

[u/MsMarvelsProstate → u/AusToddles]

People are equating not being friends with not liking each other. I've got plenty of coworkers I work with and get along with. But we aren't friends and don't see each other outside of work.

[u/Khalesssi_Slayer1]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jn2AZPiXBrNsUVxzJj

Vivian Vance and William Frawley who played Fred and Ethel Mertz on I Love Lucy. I was surprised to find out they hated each other.

[u/Lo452 → u/Khalesssi_Slayer1]

IIRC, he was a drunk, and Vivian was a little miffed that she was styled (makeup, hair, and costume) to be older and frumpy on the show. He used to poke that sore spot to get a rise out of her.

[u/SerenityN00w → u/Lo452]

Vivian did resent the fact that she was styled that way, and that she was married to a man old enough to be her father.

To be fair, that's the way the Ethel Mertz character was written. When Lucy first met Vivian, she was very skeptical. Vivian assured her that "I photographed dumpy." Desi Arnaz has discovered Vance doing a play and became convinced that she was perfect for the role. Despite the age difference between the couple, he was right. Desi assured Lucy that Vivian could play the role as needed.

[u/Aggressive_FIamingo → u/Lo452]

Vivian was a friggin' babe.

[u/Khalesssi_Slayer1 → u/Lo452]

Yeah and I heard their feud started with a comment Vivian made about William being old and she didn't like he was playing her husband. I heard their feud carried on even after I Love Lucy ended, I read an article that said he got the children on his show My Three Sons to help pull pranks on Vivian who was next door filming The Lucy Show.

[u/SerenityN00w → u/Khalesssi_Slayer1]

I Love Lucy producer Jess Oppenheimer once said in 1986 "We had a generous share of ongoing feuds simmering during I Love Lucy but not a hint of it is to be seen on the screen. Actors might be eccentric, but they’re not crazy.”

The term "hate" might be a little overblown, but no, Bill and Vivian didn't like each other.

Vivian Vance was just a ittle older than Lucy. She wasn't wild about playing the role of a frumpy housewife and couldn't believe she had to be married on-screen to a man 25 years older than her. She complained that Frawley should have been playing her father. Frawley, who was cantankerous to begin with, found out and resented her for it.

Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz saw their marriage fall apart during the 1950's. They last time they played the Ricardos was in spring of 1960. They has already privately separated. Things were so strained that they only spoke through intermediaries during filming. "Would you tell Ms. Ball to move here?" A guest star recalled that Lucy continously burst into tears. It was painful to be around.

[u/baldiedc]

https://giphy.com/gifs/171p6S8CPeiIg

[u/Sea-Feedback-2424 → u/baldiedc]

Well yeah, she cheated on him with Tim Curry.

[u/Low_Bus_3826 → u/Sea-Feedback-2424]

I meeeeean, who wouldn’t?! I’d go straight for Tim Curry in Rocky Horror!

[u/Threadheads → u/Sea-Feedback-2424]

And framed him for murder

[u/Busy_Gap_1468 → u/baldiedc]

He NEVER cared about her as much as she cared about him

[u/windmillninja]

Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher famously hated each other while filming Lois and Clark.

[u/Spiritual-Can2604 → u/windmillninja]

Everybody hates dean cain tho

[u/cactusjude → u/Spiritual-Can2604]

Oh yeah, isn't he ICE now? 🐷

[u/theninjaofthenasty → u/cactusjude]

He didn’t make the cut

[u/Key_Beach_3846 → u/theninjaofthenasty]

Which is really fucking sad cause it seems like they’ll take anyone

[u/prostateversace → u/windmillninja]

Teri Hatcher and the Desperate Housewives cast too whilst we’re at it

[u/windmillninja → u/prostateversace]

I once met a guy who directed an episode of L&C. He said they were setting up a shot of her coming out of the elevator. He was looking at the monitor and said "Uh, Teri, you're just about a step out of frame," and she just snapped back "So move the fucking camera." He said he just stood there dumbfounded for a second then looked at the camera operator and said "You heard her. Move the fucking camera."

[u/Forsaken-Access-6648]

SJP and Kim Cattrall

[u/kirmobak → u/Forsaken-Access-6648]

I think it’s a real testament to their acting skills, as the dislike and animosity between them was never apparent on screen.

[u/houseboat904 → u/kirmobak]

I’m fake af too maybe I should start acting 😂

[u/AvalancheReturns → u/houseboat904]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ukCFEU6Cg5MCCDoaVN

[u/emccm → u/Forsaken-Access-6648]

When this show was shooting thr first time around I was friends with someone who worked on it. The drama beteeen all the cast was almost unbelievable. It was exhausting to hear about. I can’t even imagine what it was like to experience first hand. I’m shocked they didn’t write Mr. Big out early on.

[u/realfakejames → u/Forsaken-Access-6648]

Her name is Kim Cattrall!!! From Mannequin and Big Trouble in Little China, she was a babe

[u/gumball_00]

A huge surprise to find out it was a HATE hate between these two irl.

[u/IamScottGable → u/gumball_00]

Craziest move for him to go on Brooklyn 99 and play a version of himself that is jealous of his co-lead and frame her for theft.

[u/BreakfastBeneficial4 → u/IamScottGable]

That was so so good. He can be a diva, but he knows when it’s time to make fun of himself.

[u/TFeary1992 → u/gumball_00]

They had amazing chemistry in the early seasons. Such a pity how it went in the end

[u/Aggressive_Image5051 → u/gumball_00]

Why did they have such visceral hatred towards each other?

[u/CaptainXakari → u/Aggressive_Image5051]

Fillion and others have said that the hours on Castle were the biggest issues, just long long ass days. That’s been backed up by Molly Quinn and one of the later directors that moved on to the Rookie (discussed on the Once We Were Spacemen podcast from Nathan Fillion and Alan Tudyk).

[u/elephhantine2 → u/Aggressive_Image5051]

Nobody knows for sure. There are some reports that he bullied her on set and some that say it was just personality differences and not bullying. Regardless, the last season ends super abruptly and you can tell in some places that the two of them filmed separately, they’re rarely together in frame.

[u/Fire_Bucket → u/elephhantine2]

I remember hearing from someone in Katic's camp, that I think Katic has since gone on to deny, that he was quite nasty and difficult to work with, especially after their supposed dating and subsequent break up,

But then half the cast and crew either fully followed him over, or at least worked with him again, on The Rookie, which made me think that he can't have been that bad to work with.

It's likely just a bad breakup, with both of them feeling aggrieved, combined with different working styles and on a difficult job with long hours and a lot of close contact with each other. Both seem happy and busy with other stuff now.

[u/video-kid]

Julia Marguiles and Archie Punjabi played best friends on The Good Wife for six seasons, and for two of those seasons they only interacted over the phone because they refused to be in the same room together. When they finally did share a scene, it was done with split screen and body doubles.

[u/JJLEGOBD → u/video-kid]

I had to scroll too long for this. So sad.

[u/Tasty_Dealer2114 → u/video-kid]

So unprofessional

[u/atleastitsnotgoofy → u/video-kid]

They didn’t refuse. Julianna refused. It was a one sided feud, likely fueled by jealousy.

[u/BarfQueen → u/atleastitsnotgoofy]

Yeah sorry, I'm team Archie on this one. Well, team Archie in general. She's basically fantastic in everything she does (even when the writing is crap - looking at you Russell T Davies...)

[u/KOQquest1 → u/atleastitsnotgoofy]

All because Archie won an Emmy in the Good Wife (before Julia Marguilles did). Pure jealousy

[u/cakingabroad]

I was one of the ones who was very sad to learn the whole bon appetit crew didn't actually like each other. It was a fun COVID era fantasy :/

[u/keine_fragen → u/cakingabroad]

and the Reply All Podcast being a secondary causality of that fallout

[u/Coneskater → u/keine_fragen]

There needs to be a meta podcast that explains what happened there.

[u/HungrySeaShark → u/Coneskater]

I mean there was a ton of coverage at the time, even on Reply All itself.

PJ Vogt and Sruthi Pinnamaneni were accused by their colleagues of trying to sabotage union efforts within Gimlet. They were specifically called out in that moment because Sruthi was the one producing (and I think hosting if I recall correctly?) the Bon Appetit mini-series. Her colleagues said this was a conflict of interest because she and PJ had been creating basically the same atmosphere at Gimlet that they were spotlighting at Bon Appetit.

The two of them voluntarily stepped away from the show, and Alex Goldman tried to get it running again with a rotating cast of others from Gimlet, but it was never the same. Now PJ and Sruthi do their own show Search Engine and Alex Goldman does his own show Hyperfixed.

[u/DabiriSC → u/cakingabroad]

I used to watch Clair when she was on there making the gourmet versions of frozen food and different snacks. I thought it was a neat idea.

Edit: Thank you all for telling me she's still active on her own channel. I'll go check it out!

[u/kendraptor → u/DabiriSC]

She still does this, her channel is called Claire Saffitz x Dessert Person!

[u/PimpMyHide → u/DabiriSC]

She has her own channel where she posts regularly

[u/elephhantine2 → u/cakingabroad]

I think some of them liked each other (as coworkers, maybe so far as casual friends) but there was a lot of resentment as well. I wonder if things would’ve been different had the white cast members with their own shows as well as the POC cast like Sohla Priya and Christina all got paid fairly.

[u/CulturalDefinition27 → u/elephhantine2]

I think Brad and Claire actually got along, as they did a lot of collars more than anyone else. I think Chris would have been hard to work with, or get along with in a competitive environment. Idk even know if Chris is still with BA, he hasnt posted in forever.

[u/GumpTheChump]

We were watching a divorce unfold.

[u/Bi-Bi-Bi24 → u/GumpTheChump]

We could tell though. They were awful together

[u/kittymeow0710 → u/Bi-Bi-Bi24]

They’re house flippers. Those are awful people in general

[u/DataDude00 → u/GumpTheChump]

I gotta say all of those house flip couples come across as weird.   

That one dude Tarek with his ex wife Christina divorced and then he married a girl that looks like her twin.  

Then his ex has a bunch of high profiles marriage failures and they act almost like a throuple 

[u/P0Rt1ng4Duty]

Radar versus everyone else was kind of a shock to me.

https://giphy.com/gifs/3ohzdRctNgks8bWWGc

[u/jeffchicken → u/P0Rt1ng4Duty]

In an old interview they summed it up as "Loved Radar, hated Burgoff"

[u/IsaRat8989 → u/P0Rt1ng4Duty]

It wasn't so much hate, but he was at times very difficult to work with. He was going through a lot personally while filming mash, among them a divorce, but the cast have had several reunions where he has been included.

He also strikes me as a socially awkward person from interviews and that could absolutely clash with the extremely outgoing co-actors, example; when the cast was gathered for the reading of Henry's final episode he apariantly refused to open the envelope with the scrips and claimed it was pictures of dead babies. Was it a bad joke, overreaction or stress? Who knows.

[u/minskoffsupreme]

Apparently Leighton and Blake were never friends in spite of the amazing on screen chemistry.

https://giphy.com/gifs/PAGhD88gWSm2Y

[u/LivingPresent629 → u/minskoffsupreme]

Didn’t Blake call her a cage baby in public “as a joke”? If that was the joke she was making in public who knows what sense of humour she had in private.

[u/h_june → u/LivingPresent629]

Wait she called her a cage baby? Like poking at her birth circumstances?! What the actual fuck.

[u/SeaworthinessNew4757 → u/h_june]

And she said it in public at a panel, saying "some of us started in a cage".

[u/elephhantine2 → u/LivingPresent629]

What’s a cage baby? Like a baby that’s been locked in a cage? Is there further context here or just a really random insult

[u/sixwivesandcounting → u/elephhantine2]

Leighton was born while her mother was serving time in federal prison for charges related to drugs. IIRC, her grandmother took care of her for the first few months.

[u/elephhantine2 → u/sixwivesandcounting]

It’s impressive that Leighton was able to make it in Hollywood with such a complicated family background, and stay relatively well adjusted despite the history of addiction. I respect her for that

[u/DescriptionFancy420 → u/elephhantine2]

It's actually incredibly depressing because her family was pretty much relying on her for income when she was still a child doing teen modeling.

[u/maevee → u/DescriptionFancy420]

She literally had to sue her mom bc money she was sending for her sick younger sibling wasn’t going to the younger sibling. So depressing but I’m glad she has a seemingly happy family of her own now!!

[u/elephhantine2 → u/DescriptionFancy420]

That seems to be the case for most Hollywood child stars. It’s depressing to think of a child being the primary breadwinner and how stressful that is from a young age

[u/Djempanadita → u/elephhantine2]

Leighton was born in a prison, I think it’s a cruel reference to that.

[u/BareKnuckleKitty → u/elephhantine2]

Her mom was in jail/prison when she gave birth to her.

[u/WelshBathBoy]

[u/affectionateanarchy8 → u/WelshBathBoy]

The way Bobby was renovating a whole farm for a woman while the rest tossed a comb and half talked about feelings it's no wonder he left

[u/TheCynicEpicurean → u/affectionateanarchy8]

Yeah, the imbalance of their contributions always struck me. Sure, different people needed different things from them, but the amount of time spent on Karamo organising a bowling alley trip with the mom vs Bobby and team turning an entire house inside out was odd.

[u/Interesting_Tea5715 → u/TheCynicEpicurean]

Totally agree. Also Antoni would show them how to cook a very simple dish and that was his whole contribution.

Antoni and Karamo always felt like they did the least.

[u/TheCynicEpicurean → u/Interesting_Tea5715]

I have a soft spot for Antoni because he seemed to get through to people more than Karamo did when he just bonded over food, but yeah, he was probably the second least involved. Him, Tan and JVN were the core friends group though I think.

[u/J-Frog3 → u/TheCynicEpicurean]

To be fair though Antoni has to meet people at their level. What good would him showing them how to make beef Wellington be when the person he is teaching can’t even make spaghetti and meatballs? It isn’t a cooking show, it is more of a basic adult skills show.

[u/FrontFew1249 → u/WelshBathBoy]

I feel it in my bones that JVN is a massive asshole. Anyone who's that focused on positivity is immediately suspicious to me.

[u/plaidconfessions → u/FrontFew1249]

I'm struggling with how to frame this in a way that makes sense, but whenever they did their positivity monologues/pep talks, it felt like they were talking to themselves rather than focusing on the other person. Somehow they managed to seem more like cries for help.

[u/Moon2Photo → u/FrontFew1249]

He is. He was a client of ours (law firm ij nyc) and he was such a dickhead that we actually fired him as a client. 

[u/DescriptionFancy420 → u/WelshBathBoy]

This actually doesn't surprise me at all, most of em seemed kinda like divas

[u/HourChart → u/DescriptionFancy420]

I’ve dealt professionally with Tan and he was one of the easiest and nicest people I’ve ever had to deal with.

[u/purplehendrix22 → u/HourChart]

I feel like his email communication is so clear for some reason

[u/Sleepy-Sapphire → u/purplehendrix22]

He def signs off with warm regards and a nice signature

[u/TheOrgasmFairy → u/HourChart]

Thank GOD, I don't know if my wee heart could deal with Tan not being a lovely, lovely human.

[u/macguyver3000 → u/WelshBathBoy]

One of the weirdest things about this was that Karamo, the self help and lifestyle guru, had the biggest breakdown and ended up in therapy.

[u/JessTheTwilek → u/macguyver3000]

Also, isn’t he dating Jussie Smollett rn lol

[u/LadenWithSorrow]

Sharpay and Ryan. They had such great sibling energy I was surprised to hear they didn’t like each other.

Edit: I should clarify Ashley said they didn’t like each other in the beginning

[u/Lonely_Relation_8208 → u/LadenWithSorrow]

They didn’t like each other initially; but grew to later on. It’s mentioned in interviews.

[u/xbubblegum_bitch → u/LadenWithSorrow]

Definitely sounds like sibling energy haha. Not everyone is close to their brother or sister.

[u/icanteverremember47]

Is anyone from LA? The radio hosts that were on 95.5 forever Marc and Brian. They were not close at. All. That really shocked me because they seemed so close on air. I think I remember reading the last year of the show they didn’t even record in the same state.

[u/CyborgGecko64]

https://giphy.com/gifs/xTiIzxW4TmEKgVZf2w

[u/buttlicker090114 → u/CyborgGecko64]

They did let it show on screen a little though.. not very professional

[u/Zovort → u/buttlicker090114]

Apparently it was pretty bad. That's why they had to bleep all of r2d2's lines.

[u/JLHSMG]

Gilbert & Sullivan, creators of the Pirates of the Penzance and Mikado, had a great quarrel where they exchanged lawsuits and agressive letters in 1890 but, as they had contracts and financial pressures, they were forced to work together until 1896 in The Grant Duke.

Edit: I had mistakenly used a picture of some other people, but u/eufrasio49 pointed that to me, and showed me a picture of the people I was talking about.

[u/splanji → u/JLHSMG]

whats the tea

[u/Nuffsaid98 → u/splanji]

Gilbert enjoyed making model soldiers and had an especially nice one of a Major General which was outfitted with the most modern gear and uniform. Sullivan borrowed it and never returned it.

[u/Zbodownlow → u/splanji]

English Breakfast.

[u/amusingbush]

Bea Arthur and Betty White on The Golden Girls

[u/sasshley_ → u/amusingbush]

Stop ruining my life
https://giphy.com/gifs/M3KeQ2khSTTrFZZlRI

[u/ZealousidealGroup559 → u/amusingbush]

Apparently Betty merrily played to the studio audience and Bea thought this was juvenile. She was quite a serious person.

[u/sittingpretty24 → u/ZealousidealGroup559]

Exactly. What I’ve read about it is that Betty liked to engage the audience and Bea wanted to focus on finishing the scene. Like if there was an error or mistake in the scene and they cut, Betty would start to talk to the audience and joke about what went wrong, etc. Bea didn’t do that.

A lot of these mismatches are like that; a difference in approach in how they work. It’s usually not anything more than that.

[u/nighthawk_something → u/sittingpretty24]

They also didn't hate each other. They were professionals and respectful. Just not friends

[u/Sleve__McDichael → u/ZealousidealGroup559]

when estelle getty was suffering from early lewy body dementia combined with severe stage fright/performance anxiety and mess up her lines, betty white would make jokes about it to the studio audience. she would mime that estelle had been drinking, etc.

people who were there seemed pretty split about it, and at least one person said they changed their opinion about it over time. rue mclanahan and bea arthur thought she was being incredibly unkind to estelle. stan zimmerman (writer) thought so at the time, but later said he'd come to believe betty was drawing attention away from estelle's memory problems as a sort of kindness.

https://pagesix.com/2023/01/23/bea-arthur-called-betty-white-a-shocking-name-for-being-unkind-to-co-star/

https://nypost.com/2024/02/25/entertainment/golden-girls-star-betty-white-made-jokes-at-estelle-gettys-expense-to-deflect-from-her-dementia-author/

[u/ComeForthInWar → u/amusingbush]

One thing I still love about this though is that although Bea did not adore Betty’s acting approach with the audience and whatnot, she still respected and cared for her as a person. There is an interview with the two of them I’ve seen where the interviewer (a guy, I can’t remember who) is talking down to Betty. Bea jumps in and eats him up.

Edit: I just looked it up. The interviewer was Merv Griffin and he was being an a jerk to her about her age.

[u/ElectronicDrop → u/ComeForthInWar]

I think a lot of it was Bea's personality also. She would refuse to go to lunch with other people unless Betty was there.

[u/Buck_Andrews]

I was surprised to find out Ed O'Neill and Amanda Bearse from Married with Children didn't get along in real life. Obviously their characters rarely got along but the frenemy chemistry between the two was huge and seemed to develop as the series went on. I always assumed these two actors must have had so much fun filming these scenes with each other because of how great their scenes together were. Kind of a bummer

[u/ghettoblaster78 → u/Buck_Andrews]

He made a joke about who gets to wear the tie, when she announced she was getting married, and it hurt her feelings.

I remember reading about this and how he apologized to her afterwards. He really felt bad about it. I mean, the show, from what I remember, had plenty of gay jokes in it—none were outright mean, but played more into the stereotypical. I think he just made a bad joke, not meant to actually be mean and it backfired and hurt her. But, I believe they really just didn’t get on because of their respective personalities. She seemed like she was more interested in being behind the camera rather than in front of it.

He also seems to be well-liked by his other gay co-stars and doesn’t have a history of spouting homophobic comments.

Lastly, lots of people laughed at the concept of gay marriage back then—even those who now completely support and even embrace it. As a gay man, I’ve heard that same stupid joke from other gay people more than from straight people (which one of you is wearing the dress, ha ha), so I’m willing to bet he was just trying to be funny and failed.

[u/BilgisticPile → u/ghettoblaster78]

Ed admitted that Amanda was right not to invite him to her wedding, because he knew he would’ve laughed if she had.

[u/OliverClothesOff70 → u/Buck_Andrews]

In a somewhat recent interview, Ed O’Neill talked about the friction between him and Amanda Bearse.

He said he once told her, “You need to understand I have an ‘Erase Marcie from the Show‘ button. You don’t have an ‘Erase Al from the Show’ button.”

[u/SilentSerperior]

Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman on Sherlock (2010)

[u/theburgerbitesback → u/SilentSerperior]

I had so much fun watching the fans implode over Cumberbatch's wedding.

Everyone was convinced that Freeman would be his best man, to the point where it was announced as fact in some tabloid articles, only for it to come out later that Freeman didn't even attend at all.

[u/The_Grand_Briddock → u/theburgerbitesback]

This was also the peak Superwholock era. When fans went gaga for those shows online.

Matt Smith, Arthur Darvill & Karen Gillan were all close. Jensen Ackles & Jared Padalecki were close. So naturally Bndct Cmbrbtch and Martin Freeman would also be that close.

No, they were just coworkers.

[u/doompines → u/The_Grand_Briddock]

It was a wild time, y'all. I've never seen "shipping" get so out of control.

[u/GenGaara25 → u/SilentSerperior]

It's wild how much that one seems to have been blown out of proportion.

By all accounts, they don't hate each other, they just aren't friends. They're co-workers who are happy to work together and respect each other, but once the cameras cut, they aren't hanging out. They're going home and not meeting out of production. They've both said they'd be open to doing more Sherlock down the line if Steven came up with something, there doesn't seem to be any bad blood between them. They just aren't buddy buddy and have no reason to talk unless they're working on something together.

But to the fandom, who shipped the characters to death and attached that to the actors, they made up this elaborate mental image about how Benedict and Martin were soul mate besties on and off screen. So hearing that they're not really friends at all was devastating and it some how twisted into them hating each other (no doubt by some exaggerated tabloid headlines). I think the fandom got too used to stuff like Supernatural where they are very close off screen that when they find out actors sometimes just consider each other colleagues it ruins it for them. Very parasocial group the SuperWhoLock guys.

[u/Xentonian → u/GenGaara25]

It's very much the same for OP's example: Adam and Jamie had a functional professional relationship and Adam respected, in his words, the hell out of Jamie.

It's just that they had strongly different personalities and aren't each other's preferred type of person with whom they would "hang out" outside of work.

[u/hash-slingin-slasha → u/Xentonian]

Woah I was gonna write this lol

It’s not like Jamie hated everyone. Dude just went to work, had fun, and left. No beers after work or anything. Nothing wrong with that.

Adam is just extroverted and Jamie isn’t

[u/priorsloth]

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[u/Afwife1992 → u/priorsloth]

The bad blood was from Red Dawn. During their chemistry screen test for Dirty Dancing Swayze pulled her aside to apologize for their previous friction. She recalled that he told her, "I love you, I love you and I'm so sorry," acknowledging that he knew she was hesitant to work with him again because of his past macho behavior and on-set pranks. He then assured her, "We could kill it—we could kill it if we did this," which helped convince her to take the role. There were some frustrations on set but nothing major.

Patrick: “One thing that really worked beautifully was that it was really a teaching situation. I really had been a dancer my entire life. Jennifer had a great deal of natural talent, but needed to be nourished. So I think Jennifer was at that time, and still, one of the most gifted actresses around in terms of her ability to be present, in the moment, right now. And I think that’s what made Baby and her character really, really special.”

Jennifer: in her memoir, Out of the Corner, she wrote about their many rifts, and how if she could, she would apologize to Swayze, "I would say, 'I'm so sorry that I couldn't just appreciate and luxuriate in who you were, instead of me wishing you were more like what I wanted you to be..."

He did gave frustration with her as they filmed the Hungry Eyes moves . When Johnny traces Baby's arm in a close-up shot, and she keeps laughing and breaking out of the movement, that was Grey's genuine reaction, and Swayze's real frustration bled through. His eye rolls and irritation were real. The scene took about 20 takes and they kept it in because it added to the tension between the characters.

[u/ElderberryTiny7483 → u/Afwife1992]

I love this movie and thanks for these details

[u/ludgateish → u/priorsloth]

Agree but the hate was lowkey what made the chemistry so good!!

[u/Kylie_Forever]

Bruce Willis and cybil Shepherd.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Ya0ZCtDbaKNlm

[u/ZealousidealGroup559 → u/Kylie_Forever]

They were both to blame there.

He was single and very recently a very successful bar tender and was just continuing that kind of raucous late night living, shooting his mouth off smart ass kind of New York lifestyle except now he was in LA and in a totally different industry.

Meanwhile she was never shy about being contemptuous of a co-star.

[u/HoneybeeXYZ → u/ZealousidealGroup559]

She was apparently extremely jealous of Christine Baranski's popularity on Cybil, apparently not getting that on a comedy that the "sidekick" character often gets the best lines.

[u/asdique → u/Kylie_Forever]

[u/earthlings_all → u/Kylie_Forever]

I believe it. They had chemistry but it was spikey. Ah, man I loved David Addison. Poor Bruce.

[u/NothingAggravating84]

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Jennette and Ariana

[u/ComprehensiveHair401 → u/NothingAggravating84]

In the book, Jennette is very open and honest about the fact that she was jealous of Ariana. I didn't get the sense that they dislike eachother, more than Ariana was getting more opportunities, more praise etc. and that bothered Jennette. But she didn't appear to have an issue with Ariana as a person. Imo

[u/Space_Hunzo → u/ComprehensiveHair401]

I think Jeanette has been pretty self aware and gracious about Ariana, I never really saw it as a feud or anything. They were both really young and Grande had a very strong support network around her, of course Jeanette would resent that and find it hard to see

[u/BillyAstro → u/ComprehensiveHair401]

Didn’t Schneider promise her own show for a while when she was contemplating quitting iCarly? I think everything was set but then last minute they made Ariana a Co-star cause of her rise in popularity

[u/rooftrash → u/NothingAggravating84]

I was happy to read that Miranda and Jennette got on much better

[u/Aspalathus-linearis → u/rooftrash]

Miranda came across so sweet and thoughtful in Jeannette's book

[u/PatriciaMorticia → u/NothingAggravating84]

After reading Jeanette's book I don't blame her.

[u/RawDogginMySpaghetti → u/PatriciaMorticia]

Is it a good read? I still have yet to really look into it.

[u/atclubsilencio → u/RawDogginMySpaghetti]

the audio book is on youtube. i listened to it in like a night and a half. not an easy listen but its compelling. Ariana was just favored more and in her own world. able to take breaks and go do her music but Jeanette was not given the same kind of fair treatment.

i’m also glad her mom died.

[u/LethargicEmu → u/atclubsilencio]

I was glad her mom died after listening to the prologue

[u/Mountain-Mode-8279 → u/RawDogginMySpaghetti]

It’s a fantastic book but it is devastating. I read it in one sitting and could not put it down. She’s a good actress but her real calling is writing and she’s damn good at it. Her fiction debut novel is also really good and just as upsetting.

[u/Illmaticmemeaddick]

simon and garfunkle

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[u/eightcarpileup → u/Illmaticmemeaddick]

And Hall and Oates

[u/EmotionalSupportBoob → u/eightcarpileup]

I can't go for that. No. No can do.

[u/Some_Option3168]

https://giphy.com/gifs/MYJcgLByj8idy
I believe that they grew to respect and care for each other but during filming it was apparently a completely different story

[u/trillianinspace]

Bradley Whitford and Rob Lowe apparently cannot stand each other, likely because Brad is super liberal in real life and Rob just played a liberal on tv.

[u/Han_Burgandy → u/trillianinspace]

Probably didn’t help that IIRC, Lowe (Sam) was poised to be the star of the ensemble but fans & Sorkin’s writing gravitated towards Whitford and JOSH took on more/better storylines.
Plus, Sheen’s Bartlett also ended up becoming the focal point of the show, which sounds like wasn’t planned at first.

[u/awc23108 → u/Han_Burgandy]

Brad’s performance as Josh was miles better than Rob’s as Sam.

Josh Lyman is one of my favorite characters of all time

[u/madcunt2250]

I was shocked to hear Key and Peele no longer talk.
Not the perfect fit to the topic but still.

[u/Desta87 → u/madcunt2250]

From how i understood it they were friends or at least good friendly colleagues but key’s wife was/is crazy and caused them to go seperate ways

They started together on madtv and then did key and peele together you wouldn’t work on a 2nd show closely if you didnt like each other

[u/KarmelCHAOS → u/Desta87]

There's also that clip of Key absolutely losing his mind when Peele wins the oscar

Edit: Guys, I couldn't find the clip, but he talks about the video in this clip.

[u/Derbla-99 → u/KarmelCHAOS]

That was so freaking wholesome

[u/fragilemetal → u/Desta87]

Recent interview from a few days ago seems to suggested that they absolutely are still talking.

https://people.com/keegan-michael-key-wants-to-make-a-horror-movie-with-jordan-peele-12074643

[u/RockDoveEnthusiast → u/madcunt2250]

but they've clarified that they are still friends; it's just that they aren't around each other anymore. like you said, doesn't really fit. and they genuinely were good friends for a long time while working together. it's just more like when you leave a job, you don't necessarily keep in touch with your coworkers, even if you got along great throughout.

[u/kazmosis → u/madcunt2250]

Iirc this is because of Key's wife being a nightmare on set, rather than having an issue with Key himself. That's why he never gets major roles in movies or shows, they're all minor roles or ads bc his wife is super controlling

[u/Tasty_Dealer2114 → u/kazmosis]

Omg the wife is Meegan

[u/Mountain-Mode-8279 → u/madcunt2250]

Oh there’s a plethora of alleged drama and blind items on this. Again, all alleged, but it seems Key’s wife is not nice and causes a lot of issues with his coworkers.

[u/sairemrys]

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[u/Chellepeachy → u/sairemrys]

This one shocked me when I found out about it, they were great the first few seasons .

[u/Space_Hunzo → u/Chellepeachy]

In later years, they both definitely came to reflect more on how engineered the feud was and how they'd been manipulated by the studio execs to turn on each other.

The way Doherty spoke about it in later years had a lot of self awareness and grace, she was very intelligent and perceptive. Super interesting to hear her talking about her experiences in the industry back then and how not just she but all the young female talent was treated.

[u/NeuroRomancer]

A bunch of people just posting pictures with no context or information as if everyone is aware of some niche show. 

[u/dd22qq → u/NeuroRomancer]

[u/Holiday_Visual9793 → u/dd22qq]

I heard there was real beef between these two 

[u/Khalesssi_Slayer1]

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I was surprised to find out Kim Cattrall and Sarah Jessica Parker hate each other.

[u/MustangBarry]

Charles Leclerc and el Parabolica

[u/Tight_Contact_9976]

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The original four members of The Who made it very clear that they all hated each other’s guts. It was only after John Entwistle died that Pete and Roger became friends.

[u/Spiritual-Can2604]

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They broke my heart

[u/deadmallsanita → u/Spiritual-Can2604]

They were my new mystery science theater 3000 💔

[u/Ill-Pickle8442]

The Two Fat Ladies in the UK. They despised each other.

Edit: despised is a harsh word and I've been corrected by a few people and don't want to tarnish their memories 🥲 I'll leave it as they "didn't get on" rather than despised eachother.

[u/No_Candidate1342 → u/Ill-Pickle8442]

WHAT
How do we have this info? Please tell me more. My mom and I used to watch them 😭

[u/ZealousidealGroup559 → u/Ill-Pickle8442]

See also: Kim and Aggie in How Clean is your House?

We never understood at the time why they suddenly stopped making them. But then Kim went on to reality shows and people were like "Oooooohhhhhh....."

[u/thedeepfield79 → u/Ill-Pickle8442]

I'm not sure they really despised each other unless I'm missing something. Clarissa Dickson Wright narrated the audiobook of her autobiography and when she speaks about Jennifer's death she is very clearly on the verge of tears. She admits they were never close friends but I think she still had some affection for her...I could be wrong though. It would be sad if they really did hate each other.

[u/xxxObelixxx]

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[u/Manilasky0809 → u/xxxObelixxx]

Wait what’s the tea here? I want to know what I’m withholding from my dad who loves these guys 

[u/towers_of_ilium → u/Manilasky0809]

Lots of substance abuse by Frank allegedly.

[u/Jean_Phillips → u/towers_of_ilium]

TBF he did have major back surgery in 2022 which began his addiction into opioids. It sucks but its a huge reality. Lots of my clients living rough experienced the same issues. Hard working dudes, got injured on the job, and couldn't keep that tiger on a leash :(

[u/OverallDoor2718 → u/towers_of_ilium]

One just died, correct?

[u/towers_of_ilium → u/OverallDoor2718]

Yeah, Frank did in 2024. Apparently they reconciled before he passed.

[u/JLHSMG]

Richard Pryor and Gene Wilder did many comedies together, including these three and Silver Streak (1976), but off-screen (even in the set when the cameras were not filming) they were not close at all, did not hang out together and had very different personalities and lifestyles

[u/Iron_Sight_Mark → u/JLHSMG]

That sounds like they were both just professional.

[u/Coffee_pecking_order → u/Iron_Sight_Mark]

That's honestly what most of these are. Strictly professional relationships. People want on screen friends to be off screen friends and that's just not realistic. I've gotten alone fine with coworkers, and had perfect working relationships.

But by no means would I call them friends.

[u/Dilarinee → u/JLHSMG]

Yeah. Richard was out there free basing and doing wild shit all the time. But Gene was wilder. 😃

But for real, Gene was a fairly quiet guy in his normal life and Richard was a party animal.

[u/FizzyBeverage → u/JLHSMG]

Wilder deliberately kept some distance. Gene said they were so good together professionally that he didn’t necessarily want to risk damaging that relationship by becoming close friends privately. Gene also said Pryor “traveled in his own circle.”

Basically, they could count on one hand the number of times they saw each other outside work.

I get it. Gene was a Jewish dad trying to get his kids to Hebrew school on time. And Richard was in a cocaine-fueled orgy on the same Sunday morning.

Work ≠ real life.

[u/The_Cheffinton]

Scott and Reggie from Comedy Bang Bang! but with everything that has come out about Reggie Watts the past month it's not as surprising as it used to be

[u/Icy-Decision-4530]

There is some hilarious outtakes of Siskel and Ebert just insulting each other lol

[u/themanfromvulcan]

What is very interesting to me is that Jamie was originally offered to be the one main host of the show and it was Jamie who suggested adding Adam as he felt Adam was more gregarious and Jamie thought he was too uninteresting to host the show by himself. Jamie understood that Adam could bring something valuable to the show. And Adam did - he added a lot of wonder and humor to the show.

Jaime and Adam have mutual respect for each other and understand that the other person is very good as what they do. But they are very different personality types. They don’t hate each other - they worked together before Mythbusters but they are not best friends.

[u/LiveShowOneNightOnly]

Always my first answer.

[u/ProjectDv2 → u/LiveShowOneNightOnly]

They were great friends while they were working together and for a long time after. It wasn't until 2010 when Shatner used material with Nimoy in a documentary workout Nimoy's permission (in fact, he had explicitly said he didn't want to participate in it) that Nimoy fell out with him. He felt it was a natural of their friendship and told him to kick rocks.

[u/undermedikated]

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The alleged catalyst for this feud was a dog named Dave

[u/Grouchy_Animal7939 → u/undermedikated]

My fave father-daughter duo. Shame for their real-life relationship. But I respect it. They are both adults and NCIS is just a chapter. I miss them along with Kate and then Ziva and Tony. OG cast was special.

[u/Lurker-Forever-986]

Semi related. This is the only scene Bronn and Cersei have on screen together because the actors went through a terrible breakup years before being cast on GoT and refused to be on set at the same time.

[u/JukeNation_]

There was quite the friction between these two on the original run and sometimes would go weeks without talking to each other. Still a great duo though.

[u/crescentmoonrising → u/JukeNation_]

Considering they became good friends later, I have a feeling it was more the brutal schedule was making everyone miserable. There's a reason Criminal Minds has about seven team members.

[u/JukeNation_ → u/crescentmoonrising]

He also went on to say that he could have handled it a lot better. Accountability is a good first step to fixing a broken friendship.

[u/rhetoricalbread → u/JukeNation_]

They did a podcast episode together and hashed that out a bit and it was definitely informative why, and a lot of "I thought you hated me" "what, no! I thought you hated me".